Material Changemakers – Interview Series: Episode 2 – Pat Condliffe

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From the pressure cooker of being a high-end chef, to shaping learning experiences in education, to driving customer growth and experience for amaysim, one of Australia’s leading telcos, Pat Condliffe is a master of reinvention.

In this conversation with Material’s Ben Mooney, Pat shares lessons learned from each iteration in his career — and how he now brings that experience and philosophy to getting the best out of the teams he manages. He talks about how he translated the process of self-reinvention into the process of reinventing amaysim’s website, employing the same skills and nimbleness that helped guide him through his career. Listen to him articulate why the key to success is continued education and skill development — and stick around to hear him talk about how goats have helped him along in his journey.

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About Pat Condliffe

Pat is a digital product leader who specialises in turning messy, high-friction journeys into simple, high-performing products. Drawing on an unconventional background as a chef, teacher and even a stint as a goat herder, Pat brings a grounded, human perspective to how digital experiences are designed and delivered. He’s led cross-functional teams through complex transformations, always with a sharp focus on real customer outcomes over vanity metrics. A vocal advocate for practical, applied AI in product management, Pat brings a refreshingly honest, no-jargon perspective on how teams can ship faster, reduce risk and still care deeply about the humans on the other side of the screen.

About Ben Mooney

Having lived in multiple countries, led global teams, married and fathered three kids, change is something Ben knows all too well – which gives him the perfect background to explore the topic of change and its impacts around the world. In the Changemakers podcast, Ben, Material’s Managing Director for Asia-Pacific, focuses on illuminating guests’ stories, key moments and navigation points through their change journeys. An experienced interviewer, Ben previously hosted a series called The Business of Transformation.

About Material Changemakers

We all experience change. What we do with that change, though — how we approach it, navigate it, resist it or embrace it — varies wildly. In a global business landscape being transformed by AI, new ways of working and shifting customer expectations, the ability to harness the power of change is a vital advantage for effective business leaders.

Hosted by Material’s managing director for Asia-Pacific, Ben Mooney, Material Changemakers is a new interview series featuring in-depth conversations with global thought leaders from across the industry spectrum about critical moments of change in their lives. From the professional to the personal, listeners will garner insights on navigating life’s challenging inflection points, embracing change as an opportunity for exploration and growth, how to foster a culture of change and innovation and more.

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